News from Crystal Palace - News & stories from the fresh air suburb - Crystal Palace, London SE19 » former cinema 25 Church Road Crystal Palace http://www.newsfromcrystalpalace.co.uk Fri, 03 Apr 2015 18:01:38 +0000 en-US hourly 1 NEW BID TO USE FORMER CINEMA FOR CHURCH SERVICES ‘Dual purpose’ application expected http://www.newsfromcrystalpalace.co.uk/new-bid-use-former-cinema-church-services-dual-purpose-application-expected/ http://www.newsfromcrystalpalace.co.uk/new-bid-use-former-cinema-church-services-dual-purpose-application-expected/#comments Fri, 21 Mar 2014 20:28:55 +0000 http://www.newsfromcrystalpalace.co.uk/?p=1083 PLANS TO use the former cinema at 25 Church Road for religious services on a ‘dual purpose’ basis are set to be submitted to Bromley council. The move by the Pentecostal church KICC (Kingsway International Christian Centre) comes more than four years after a Bromley council plans sub-committee turned down an application for change of use of 25 Church Road for religious services. The application by KICC, made after they bought the building in a secret deal from Gala bingo in 2009, caused uproar locally with 1,000 people packing a protest meeting organised by the Picture Palace Campaign – formed to fight the plans – in the huge downstairs ballroom of the Queens hotel which is also in Church Road. A Bromley council spokeswoman told News From Crystal Palace: “A meeting took place last week with the council and representatives from the church and we anticipate receiving a planning application shortly. “If or when a planning application is received the council would seek consultation with the local community as part of this.” The meeting between the council and KICC representatives came after a Bromley plans siub-committee early last month where Crystal Palace ward councillor Tom Papworth (Lib Dem) said KICC “seemed to be having their cake and eating it.” His protest led committee chairman Cllr Alexa Michael (Con Bromley Common and Keston) to put forward a surprise motion giving KICC 30 days to submit a new planning application or face enforcement action after complaints that KICC were using 25 Church Road for religious events. CHURCH TOLD TO SUBMIT FRESH APPLICATION FOR CINEMA BUILDING – OR FACE ENFORCEMENT ACTION At its meeting on Thursday February 6th members of Bromley council’s plans sub committee number one amended officers’ suggested recommendations about the former cinema at 25 Church Road. The recommendation – the third of three – was amended so that enforcement action would be held in abeyance for 30 days and the owners (KICC) urged to submit an application within that time – otherwise enforcement action would be taken. The move came in a surprise amendment from the chair by Cllr Alexa Michael and followed an impassioned plea by Crystal Palace ward Cllr Tom Papworth who said KICC “seem to be able to have their cake and eat it.” His comments followed a report to the sub committee in the wake of a ‘Watchnight’ service held at 25 Church Road on December 31st last year. THE REPORT TO COMMITTEE The report said that when details of the “Watchnight” event emerged, KICC claimed  it fell within the lawful Class D2 use.  “But there were local concerns that the proposed event would take the form of a religious service which would fall within Class D1 and outside the lawful Class D2 use. “In view of the number of local complaints and the lack of information about the format and content of the event a notice was issued under S330 of the Town and Country Planning Act 1990. “This required further information to be provided before the event took place to enable an informed decision to be made as to whether the use was within Class D2. “A response to the S330 notice was received on  December 28th 2013 in which KICC described the event as a New Year celebration including music, dance and drama as well as the countdown to the New Year. “They stated that no alcohol would be on sale but snacks and soft drinks would be provided.  “KICC also confirmed that there would be no preaching at the event and stated that the event would not take the form of a religious service. “Planning officers met with the council’s solicitors and licensing officers before the event to discuss the response to the S330 notice and the most appropriate course of action but it was considered the response to the S330 notice did not provide any additional evidence there had been a material change of use. “Three officers from planning and licensing attended the event on December 31st in order to witness the proceedings at first hand… the event took the form of a New Year celebration involving song and dance featuring amplified music and a gospel choir, and included praise and worship.  “A short drama performance was presented by the children’s church.” The report stated the head of licensing was able to confirm that in view of the religious content this was NOT a licensable event under the Licensing Act. “Regulated entertainment, which includes music,singing dance, is a licensable activity but the act makes a specific exemption for entertainment provided as part of, or incidental to a religious meeting or service (Para. 9a Schedule 1 Part 2 (Exemptions) Licensing Act 2003). “Based on the nature of the words, music and performance observed the licensing officers were satisfied the Watchnight event was a form of worship and therefore came within the exemption as being a religious meeting or service.” BUT the building does not have planning permission for religious use – a decision taken by a Bromley council planning committee dating back to December 2009 and following a huge wave of public protest which included an amazing public meeting in the Queens hotel attended by around 1,000 people. The report also revealed that KICC have “stated their intention to submit a planning application for a mixed D2/D1 use but no further details are known at this stage.” The officers’ report added that “under national guidance and practice, the council needs to consider the expediency of taking planning enforcement action. “The site appears to have been used as a place of religious worship on two occasions in 2013. “Whether there is a material change of use is a question of fact and degree.” The report then, somewhat bizarrely, adds: ” In this instance the land still retains its general characteristics in appearance.” The report continues: “The extent of the usage is limited, to two days in a year. “There is little evidence of harmful noise or disturbance to local residents. “Overall there is […]

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PLANS TO use the former cinema at 25 Church Road for religious services on a ‘dual purpose’ basis are set to be submitted to Bromley council.

The move by the Pentecostal church KICC (Kingsway International Christian Centre) comes more than four years after a Bromley council plans sub-committee turned down an application for change of use of 25 Church Road for religious services.

The application by KICC, made after they bought the building in a secret deal from Gala bingo in 2009, caused uproar locally with 1,000 people packing a protest meeting organised by the Picture Palace Campaign – formed to fight the plans – in the huge downstairs ballroom of the Queens hotel which is also in Church Road.

A Bromley council spokeswoman told News From Crystal Palace: “A meeting took place last week with the council and representatives from the church and we anticipate receiving a planning application shortly.

“If or when a planning application is received the council would seek consultation with the local community as part of this.”

The meeting between the council and KICC representatives came after a Bromley plans siub-committee early last month where Crystal Palace ward councillor Tom Papworth (Lib Dem) said KICC “seemed to be having their cake and eating it.”

His protest led committee chairman Cllr Alexa Michael (Con Bromley Common and Keston) to put forward a surprise motion giving KICC 30 days to submit a new planning application or face enforcement action after complaints that KICC were using 25 Church Road for religious events.

CHURCH TOLD TO SUBMIT FRESH APPLICATION FOR CINEMA BUILDING – OR FACE ENFORCEMENT ACTION

At its meeting on Thursday February 6th members of Bromley council’s plans sub committee number one amended officers’ suggested recommendations about the former cinema at 25 Church Road.

The recommendation – the third of three – was amended so that enforcement action would be held in abeyance for 30 days and the owners (KICC) urged to submit an application within that time – otherwise enforcement action would be taken.

The move came in a surprise amendment from the chair by Cllr Alexa Michael and followed an impassioned plea by Crystal Palace ward Cllr Tom Papworth who said KICC “seem to be able to have their cake and eat it.”

His comments followed a report to the sub committee in the wake of a ‘Watchnight’ service held at 25 Church Road on December 31st last year.

THE REPORT TO COMMITTEE

The report said that when details of the “Watchnight” event emerged, KICC claimed  it fell within the lawful Class D2 use.  “But there were local concerns that the proposed event would take the form of a religious service which would fall within Class D1 and outside the lawful Class D2 use.

“In view of the number of local complaints and the lack of information about the format and content of the event a notice was issued under S330 of the Town and Country Planning Act 1990.

“This required further information to be provided before the event took place to enable an informed decision to be made as to whether the use was within Class D2.

“A response to the S330 notice was received on  December 28th 2013 in which KICC described the event as a New Year celebration including music, dance and drama as well as the countdown to the New Year.

“They stated that no alcohol would be on sale but snacks and soft drinks would be provided.  “KICC also confirmed that there would be no preaching at the event and stated that the event would not take the form of a religious service.

“Planning officers met with the council’s solicitors and licensing officers before the event to discuss the response to the S330 notice and the most appropriate course of action but it was considered the response to the S330 notice did not provide any additional evidence there had been a material change of use.

“Three officers from planning and licensing attended the event on December 31st in order to witness the proceedings at first hand… the event took the form of a New Year celebration involving song and dance featuring amplified music and a gospel choir, and included praise and worship.  “A short drama performance was presented by the children’s church.”

The report stated the head of licensing was able to confirm that in view of the religious content this was NOT a licensable event under the Licensing Act.

“Regulated entertainment, which includes music,singing dance, is a licensable activity but the act makes a specific exemption for entertainment provided as part of, or incidental to a religious meeting or service (Para. 9a Schedule 1 Part 2 (Exemptions) Licensing Act 2003).

“Based on the nature of the words, music and performance observed the licensing officers were satisfied the Watchnight event was a form of worship and therefore came within the exemption as being a religious meeting or service.”

BUT the building does not have planning permission for religious use – a decision taken by a Bromley council planning committee dating back to December 2009 and following a huge wave of public protest which included an amazing public meeting in the Queens hotel attended by around 1,000 people.

The report also revealed that KICC have “stated their intention to submit a planning application for a mixed D2/D1 use but no further details are known at this stage.”

The officers’ report added that “under national guidance and practice, the council needs to consider the expediency of taking planning enforcement action.

“The site appears to have been used as a place of religious worship on two occasions in 2013. “Whether there is a material change of use is a question of fact and degree.”

The report then, somewhat bizarrely, adds: ” In this instance the land still retains its general characteristics in appearance.”

The report continues: “The extent of the usage is limited, to two days in a year. “There is little evidence of harmful noise or disturbance to local residents.

“Overall there is insufficient evidence of a material change of use that causes harm and it does not appear expedient to take action at this stage.

“A legal view has been sought on this matter. “It is suggested that the owners submit a planning application to deal with on-going issues between themselves and local residents.”

CLLR TOM PAPWORTH

KICC “seem to be able to have their cake and eat it” he declared.

Cllr Papworth recalled that on a previous occasion another Bromley plans sub-committee had rejected a motion of his calling for enforcement action and decided that the use of the building should be closely monitored.

“We have the farcical situation where the licensing department said it WAS a religious event and not licensable and the planning department said it did not breach planning conditions.

“The left hand in Bromley clearly did not know what the right hand was doing.”

Referring to section 3.12 of the report to the sub-committee Cllr Papworth said one got the impression the planning department thought the problem was noise.

“Noise and disturbance are environmental health matters. “If KICC were in silent worship they would still be in breach of planning law and it’s planning law they should be upholding.

“We must demonstrate to owners we will enforce planning law if they choose to breach it. “We should reject these recommendations and take enforcement action.”

The suggestion KICC should submit a planning application “seems to be a case of Bromley throwing in the towel – ‘if you breach planning law often enough you submit a planning application.

“We need to demonstrate that Bromley council is strong and firm in cases of breach of planning law.”

CLLR ALEXA MICHAEL

told members: “It’s not as if this was an isolated incident. “It’s happened on more than one occasion. “KICC have had the opportunity to put in a planning application to try to regularise the situation. “They have not.

“If 70 residents complain I’m inclined to agree with the ward member – we should take enforcement action to cease this use in the future.”

At this point an officer intervened to draw members attention to the legal view and said they had to look at whether something was a material change of use.

He said that while officers had been at KICC’s Watchnight service he had been at Gary Barlow’s concert at Methodist central hall .

“It was obviously a non-secular concert but if it had been called ‘Cliff Richard singing a Millennium Prayer’ I don’t think we could say it was a material change of use.

“The concern is that, given the limited number of events, there’s not a material change of use.”

There followed a debate in which Cllr Peter Fookes (Lab, Penge and Cator ward), agreeing with Cllr Papworth said: “We have allowed the situation to carry on  for far too long”

He suggested inviting KICC to submit an application within one month and then, if no application had been received, taking enforcement action.

Cllr John Canvin (Lib Dem Crystal Palace) said he had never had so many complaints and objections to anything which had come up on planning “as I’ve had on this one.”

Cllr Samaris Huntington-Thresher (Con Chelsfield and Pratts Bottom) said: “70 complaints is a huge number. I’m a bit concerned about where this is going.

“This isn’t going to go away” she added.

The officers recommendation to the sub-committee sub-committee was lost by three votes to five

Cllr Michael’s motion was then put to sub-committee and agreed by five votes to three.

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BACKGROUND TO THE NEWS Dateline: October 20th 2009 ONE THOUSAND ATTEND CINEMA CAMPAIGN MEETING http://www.newsfromcrystalpalace.co.uk/background-news-dateline-october-20th-2009-one-thousand-attend-cinema-campaign-meeting/ http://www.newsfromcrystalpalace.co.uk/background-news-dateline-october-20th-2009-one-thousand-attend-cinema-campaign-meeting/#comments Fri, 21 Mar 2014 20:27:43 +0000 http://www.newsfromcrystalpalace.co.uk/?p=1085 BACKGROUND TO THE NEWS Dateline: October 20th 2009 ONE THOUSAND ATTEND CINEMA CAMPAIGN MEETING Dateline: December 18th 2009 CHURCH PLANS REJECTED IN KNIFE-EDGE VOTE Dateline: April 21st 2010: “OH LORD WON’T YOU BUY ME A MERCEDES BENZ…” Dateline: February 5th 2014 CHARITY COMMISSION APPOINT INTERIM MANAGER FOR KICC – Move follows ‘failed investments’ Dateline: October 20th 2009 ONE THOUSAND ATTEND CINEMA CAMPAIGN MEETING Around 1,000 people turned up at a public meeting called by campaigners wanting a cinema for Crystal Palace on Sunday afternoon. Campaigners are fighting plans by KICC – Kingsway International Christian Centre – to turn the former Gala bingo club premises in Church Road, Upper Norwood into a church. The event attracted politicians from all three main parties – among them Croydon North MP Malcolm Wicks (Lab) who said: “I don’t think a new church of this kind which would bring in lots of people from outside this area is what we need. It seems to me utterly absurd. “My correspondence with the Charity Commission about this church does make me suggest that not everyone leading that church has taken a vow of poverty” he added to laughter and applause from the audience at the Queen’s hotel on Church Road. “But they could afford to get into the Picture Palace.” Church Road was in urgent need of revitalisation and regeneration and a 21st century Picture Palace would be the ideal way of achieving that. Mr Wicks was applauded when he first rose to speak He told the huge audience: “That’s the first time in six months anyone has clapped me.” He and politicians of all the three main parties were applauded as they addressed the audience via the roving mikes- but the only cheers came when Bromley council leader Cllr Stephen Carr announced himself to the audience in the Queen’s Hotel. “I’m not going to make empty promises I can’t keep. I will take the commitment and desire and real feeling back to my colleagues, to the planning committees, to the people on Bromley council” said Cllr Carr. The Rev Andrew Rumsey of Christ Church, Gipsy Hill, – one of the main speakers at the event – said that while thinking about the cinema campaign over the past week the old Ealing comedy ‘Passport to Pimlico’ had come to mind. “In this film you’ll recall how residents of Pimlico declare independence from the rest of the city, blockade themselves in with stocks of gin and crisps and generally celebrate the right to determine their own lives. “Though we still have to associate with the rest of London one of the best things about this cinema campaign has been to galvanise our sense of place here in Crystal Palace. “It’s absolutely vital in an area which is on so many boundaries. If we don’t speak up for the Triangle no–one else will. All too often we are the forgotten corner of someone else’s borough.” He told the audience that last Friday his band the Effras were playing upstairs at the Brixton Ritzy and looking out over a town with ample supplies of gin and crisps. “We had a great sneak preview of what a good evening out in Crystal Palace might involve at some point in the future.” Earlier campaign chairman Annabel Sidney said the campaign was about bringing the community together. She emphasised the campaign was a pro-cinema one, not an anti-church campaign. “We would say to KICC you really thought you were buying a bingo hall but you purchased a cinema” She reiterated the campaign’s promise to help KICC find a more suitable home. The other main speaker was Claire Binns of City Screen, the cinema chain which owns the Brixton Ritzy and were outbid by KICC for the former cinema in Church Road. She told the audience City Screen owned cinemas in “Norwich and Greenwich, Exeter, Aberdeen and everywhere in between.” LAMBETH COUNCIL IN AMAZING U-TURN OVER CINEMA   Lambeth council made one of the quickest U-turns in any council’s history in the wake of Sunday’s meeting. Anger rose when Cllr Andrew Gibson (Con Gipsy Hill), an ardent supporter of the campaign, told the meeting he had some bad news – Lambeth council would not be objecting to the proposed change of use of 25 Church Road. “We are deeply furious about this. If you live in Lambeth write to Mr Brown at planning. Triangle issues are Lambeth issues, We are going to see if we can get this reversed.” A flurry of emails including one from Cllr Gibson went to Lambeth’s chief planner Les Brown – which he responded to the same day – followed. In a follow-up e-mail on Monday a Lambeth council officer told Cllr Gibson that while the notice said ‘no objection’, if Bromley council wanted to grant planning permission they should limit the size of the congregation and the number of services.Lambeth attached 45 copies of objection letters from Lambeth residents “Given the above I think a very clear message has been sent to Bromley council regarding the local opposition to the proposal.” Cllr Gibson was told. One campaign committee member wrote to Mr Brown on Monday pointing out that cinema campaigners had offered to help KICC find an alternative site. If Lambeth didn’t mind traffic problems, parking problems and killing off Upper Norwood as a district centre – which is what campaigners say will happen if KICC get permission for change of use – then he and a colleague planned to scour commercial property agents websites for likely sites for KICC across Lambeth borough. And as an afterthought they would suggest KICC approach the owners of the Fridge in Brixton – right next to Lambeth town hall.Another committee member highlighted how Lambeth fought off plans by a Pentecostal church to buy the Brixton Academy back in 1995. On Tuesday morning the campaigner had an email from Mr Brown  -: “In light of further concerns now received from residents, ward members and the chair of Lambeth’s planning applications committee, officers […]

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BACKGROUND TO THE NEWS

Dateline: October 20th 2009 ONE THOUSAND ATTEND CINEMA CAMPAIGN MEETING

Dateline: December 18th 2009 CHURCH PLANS REJECTED IN KNIFE-EDGE VOTE

Dateline: April 21st 2010: “OH LORD WON’T YOU BUY ME A MERCEDES BENZ…”

Dateline: February 5th 2014 CHARITY COMMISSION APPOINT INTERIM MANAGER FOR KICC – Move follows ‘failed investments’

Dateline: October 20th 2009

ONE THOUSAND ATTEND CINEMA CAMPAIGN MEETING

Around 1,000 people turned up at a public meeting called by campaigners wanting a cinema for Crystal Palace on Sunday afternoon.

Campaigners are fighting plans by KICC – Kingsway International Christian Centre – to turn the former Gala bingo club premises in Church Road, Upper Norwood into a church.
The event attracted politicians from all three main parties – among them Croydon North MP Malcolm Wicks (Lab) who said: “I don’t think a new church of this kind which would bring in lots of people from outside this area is what we need. It seems to me utterly absurd.

“My correspondence with the Charity Commission about this church does make me suggest that not everyone leading that church has taken a vow of poverty” he added to laughter and applause from the audience at the Queen’s hotel on Church Road.
“But they could afford to get into the Picture Palace.”
Church Road was in urgent need of revitalisation and regeneration and a 21st century Picture Palace would be the ideal way of achieving that.
Mr Wicks was applauded when he first rose to speak He told the huge audience: “That’s the first time in six months anyone has clapped me.”

He and politicians of all the three main parties were applauded as they addressed the audience via the roving mikes- but the only cheers came when Bromley council leader Cllr Stephen Carr announced himself to the audience in the Queen’s Hotel.

“I’m not going to make empty promises I can’t keep. I will take the commitment and desire and real feeling back to my colleagues, to the planning committees, to the people on Bromley council” said Cllr Carr.
The Rev Andrew Rumsey of Christ Church, Gipsy Hill, – one of the main speakers at the event – said that while thinking about the cinema campaign over the past week the old Ealing comedy ‘Passport to Pimlico’ had come to mind.
“In this film you’ll recall how residents of Pimlico declare independence from the rest of the city, blockade themselves in with stocks of gin and crisps and generally celebrate the right to determine their own lives.
“Though we still have to associate with the rest of London one of the best things about this cinema campaign has been to galvanise our sense of place here in Crystal Palace.
“It’s absolutely vital in an area which is on so many boundaries. If we don’t speak up for the Triangle no–one else will. All too often we are the forgotten corner of someone else’s borough.”
He told the audience that last Friday his band the Effras were playing upstairs at the Brixton Ritzy and looking out over a town with ample supplies of gin and crisps.
“We had a great sneak preview of what a good evening out in Crystal Palace might involve at some point in the future.”
Earlier campaign chairman Annabel Sidney said the campaign was about bringing the community together. She emphasised the campaign was a pro-cinema one, not an anti-church campaign.
“We would say to KICC you really thought you were buying a bingo hall but you purchased a cinema” She reiterated the campaign’s promise to help KICC find a more suitable home.
The other main speaker was Claire Binns of City Screen, the cinema chain which owns the Brixton Ritzy and were outbid by KICC for the former cinema in Church Road. She told the audience City Screen owned cinemas in “Norwich and Greenwich, Exeter, Aberdeen and everywhere in between.”

LAMBETH COUNCIL IN AMAZING U-TURN OVER CINEMA
 
Lambeth council made one of the quickest U-turns in any council’s history in the wake of Sunday’s meeting.
Anger rose when Cllr Andrew Gibson (Con Gipsy Hill), an ardent supporter of the campaign, told the meeting he had some bad news – Lambeth council would not be objecting to the proposed change of use of 25 Church Road.

“We are deeply furious about this. If you live in Lambeth write to Mr Brown at planning. Triangle issues are Lambeth issues, We are going to see if we can get this reversed.”

A flurry of emails including one from Cllr Gibson went to Lambeth’s chief planner Les Brown – which he responded to the same day – followed.
In a follow-up e-mail on Monday a Lambeth council officer told Cllr Gibson that while the notice said ‘no objection’, if Bromley council wanted to grant planning permission they should limit the size of the congregation and the number of services.Lambeth attached 45 copies of objection letters from Lambeth residents “Given the above I think a very clear message has been sent to Bromley council regarding the local opposition to the proposal.” Cllr Gibson was told.
One campaign committee member wrote to Mr Brown on Monday pointing out that cinema campaigners had offered to help KICC find an alternative site. If Lambeth didn’t mind traffic problems, parking problems and killing off Upper Norwood as a district centre – which is what campaigners say will happen if KICC get permission for change of use – then he and a colleague planned to scour commercial property agents websites for likely sites for KICC across Lambeth borough.
And as an afterthought they would suggest KICC approach the owners of the Fridge in Brixton – right next to Lambeth town hall.Another committee member highlighted how Lambeth fought off plans by a Pentecostal church to buy the Brixton Academy back in 1995.
On Tuesday morning the campaigner had an email from Mr Brown  -: “In light of further concerns now received from residents, ward members and the chair of Lambeth’s planning applications committee, officers will make a further submission to Bromley supporting the retention of the cinema and raising concerns regarding parking. Kind regards, Les Brown”

Dateline: December 18th 2009

CHURCH PLANS REJECTED IN KNIFE-EDGE VOTE

CONTROVERSIAL plans to turn a former cinema in Crystal Palace into a church have been rejected by a Bromley council planning committee – on the chairman’s casting vote.

Kingsway International Christian Centre had wanted to turn the former cinema and bingo hall in Church Road into a church after buying the building from Gala bingo hall. The move has sparked a massive groundswell of public opposition from residents and traders – the vast majority of whom want the building turned back into a cinema.

But the future of the building could now be uncertain after a letter from KICC’s agents for the application stated that if planning permission was not forthcoming the building would just be allowed to fall into disrepair.

At the council’s plans sub-committee meeting on Thursday December 17th Cllr Sarah Phillips (Con. Clock House), moving the motion for refusal, said keeping the building as D2 use was about how Crystal Palace would remain in the future. There was not a shortage of D1 uses – churches – in the area.

“Keeping D2 use will be good for business and cultural reasons and the viability of the future of Crystal Palace” she said.

Cllr John Getgood (Lab, Penge and Cator) said the Triangle area of Crystal Palace “was a special community all of its own with small artisan businesses developing very, very nicely – and that needs to be supported.

“There’s nothing wrong with having another church. The problem is this doesn’t come from that community. It’s being imposed on that community. If it was already in the area I could see a good reason for allowing it. This is a wandering tribe looking for a home.”

Cllr Getgood, who recalled that in the late 1950s he used to go to Saturday cinema in the same building, said parking caused by the arrival of the church would be intolerable for people living in the area.

Cllr Alexa Michael (Con Bromley Common and Keston) said she did not find the officers’ report to committee about the application particularly helpful. “A lot seems to mention things that aren’t planning grounds. There seems to be a great demand for leisure. Cinemas have to offer multiplexes if they are to survive economically.

“The chances are they would draw in people from outside the area. Any type of use will draw in fairly large numbers. I’m not convinced the reasons for refusal are strong.” She asked for a further report and to arrange for a members site visit.

Cllr Peter Dean (Con. Kelsey and Eden Park) said he had been about to make some of the points made by Cllr Michael. “It’s not a great report. We’re not looking at an application for a cinema.”

He said he could understand the concerns voiced by Crystal Palace Cllr Tom Papworth (Lib Dem) who gave a videoed address to the committee.

“But I have a concern that if this application is refused residents will end up with exactly what they don’t want. This could be won on appeal. The two main reasons for refusal are that a major entertainment facility is going to be lost. You’re replacing a bingo hall with a church – how contentious is that?

“They are going to operate a great number of community facilities. On the face of it that’s not such a bad idea if you don’t know the area.”

On traffic and parking he said that if there was one area in ‘our borough’ that was used to handling large numbers of parking it was the Crystal Palace area. The traffic report prepared by the applicant actually put the parking element in perspective, he said

“The grounds for refusal are dubious. I’d like more thought to go into this.” he added.

Cllr Getgood, responding, said: “The church community facilities do not come out of that community – they are being imposed on them. There are occasional large entertainments in Crystal Palace park but they are not twice a day on Sunday. This is a regular imposition on the people of the area and it’s not fair for them to put up with that.”

Councillors voted three – three with committee chairman Cllr Gordon Jenkins (Con. Bickley) voting for the application to be refused. Cllr Jenkins then used his casting vote, saying: “I’m not one of those who bends with the wind. The application is refused.” Cllr Dean asked for his vote against to be recorded.

Dateline: 21st April 2010 “OH LORD WON’T YOU BUY ME A MERCEDES BENZ…”

Worshippers at a thriving church that attracts some of the biggest congregations in Europe have seen their prayers answered in the shape of a new fleet of Mercedes-Benz minibuses.

Kingsway International Christian Centre (KICC) in north-east London has just taken delivery from Heathrow dealer Rygor Commercials of 30 Mercedes-Benz Sprinter Traveliners, to help bring thousands of people to its services every Sunday.

All of the factory-built 15-seaters are fitted with the innovative ECO-Start system – this saves fuel and reduces emissions by automatically cutting the engine whenever the vehicle is stationary for more than three seconds and then re-starts it as soon as the clutch pedal is depressed.

The fleet is the subject of a four-year contract hire deal with Mercedes-Benz CharterWay, the manufacturer’s in-house commercial vehicle finance division.

KICC recently moved out of its former premises in Hackney, east London, to make way for the London 2012 Olympic development. Services are currently held in a temporary home at Hoe Street, Walthamstow, while the management committee searches for a suitable site to create a new, purpose-built church and conference centre complex.

The Sprinters are used primarily as ‘shuttle buses’ – as part of its green travel initiative, the church encourages its members to travel to services by public transport, thus minimising the impact on traffic congestion and exhaust emissions; the vehicles then collect them from a series of pick-up points near local underground stations and bus stops.

The church attracts so many worshippers that six services every Sunday are needed to accommodate them all, and the shuttle buses run continually from 7am until 7.30pm. The new Mercedes-Benz vehicles have replaced the church’s previous fleet, which was by another manufacturer.

KICC Property & Facilities Manager Kayode Falebita said: “We had several key criteria for our new fleet. Obviously affordability was important, but so were fuel efficiency, low emissions and the safety and comfort of our volunteer drivers and their passengers.

“We drew up a shortlist of three vehicles and although we expected the Sprinter to be more expensive, we were pleasantly surprised at the competitiveness of the contract rates quoted by Mercedes-Benz CharterWay. And when our senior managers took a close look at demonstrator units supplied by the three manufacturers, the Sprinter quickly emerged as a clear favourite

“The standard safety systems are highly impressive, the seating is very comfortable for both drivers and passengers, and the vehicles have a real quality feel. The ECO-Start system is another big plus – it helps to reduce our costs and our impact on the local and global environment.” (Source: Mercedes-Benz press release headed: Mercedes-Benz Sprinters join the KICC congregation)

Dateline: February 5th 2014

CHARITY COMMISSION APPOINT INTERIM MANAGER FOR KICC – Move follows ‘failed investments’

Charity Commission statement in full:

Charity Commission says that the interim manager who has been appointed to undertake a limited role, will not replace the current trustees of Kingsway International Christian Centre.

The Charity Commission, the regulator of charities in England and Wales has appointed an Interim Manager (IM) to the charity Kingsway International Christian Centre (registered charity number 1102114). The regulator has been investigating the charity since 2011, in connection with concerns about the charity’s governance and internal financial controls in relation to investments the charity made.

The Commission’s concerns revolve around the decision in 2009 and 2010 by the charity’s former board of trustees to allow Mr Richard Rufus, who was then a trustee, to invest £5m of the charity’s assets in the financial markets through potentially high risk speculative foreign exchange trades, without independent professional advice. The investments ultimately failed. Mr Rufus resigned as a trustee in May 2011.

During the inquiry, the current board of trustees were required and did take action to seek the return of the funds. £6.9million was due to be returned to the charity under Mr Rufus’s Individual Voluntary Arrangement1 (“IVA”) . The Commission kept its inquiry open to monitor and ensure the funds were repaid. However, Mr Rufus was declared bankrupt in October 2013 and it became clear the funds would not be fully returned.

The role of the interim manager is to assess whether the charity’s former board of trustees carry personal liability for the amounts lost to the charity as a result of the unsuccessful investments and if so whether the charity should seek restitution for the losses. The interim manager has been appointed to work alongside the charity’s current trustees, the majority of which were appointed after the problems first came to light. The trustees will continue to have responsibility for the charity’s day-to-day management. The appointed interim manager is Helen Harvie of Barlow Robbins LLP.

The regulator confirms that the charity’s trustees have been co-operating throughout the inquiry.

The Commission will publish a report once its inquiry has concluded. The report will detail what issues the inquiry looked at, what actions were undertaken as part of the inquiry and what the outcomes were. Reports of previous inquiries by the Commission are available on its website.

Notes to Editors

1. The Charity Commission is the independent regulator of charities in England and Wales. See www.charitycommission.gov.uk for further information.

2. Our mission is to be the independent registrar and regulator of charities in England and Wales, acting in the public’s interest, to ensure that:

Charities know what they have to do
The public know what charities do
Charities are held to account

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CHURCH PLANS ‘WATCHNIGHT SERVICE’ IN CINEMA BUILDING – CAMPAIGNERS AND COUNCILLOR DEMAND ACTION “KICC cannot have it both ways” – Cllr Tom Papworth http://www.newsfromcrystalpalace.co.uk/church-plans-watchnight-service-cinema-building-campaigners-councillor-demand-action-kicc-ways-cllr-tom-papworth/ http://www.newsfromcrystalpalace.co.uk/church-plans-watchnight-service-cinema-building-campaigners-councillor-demand-action-kicc-ways-cllr-tom-papworth/#comments Wed, 25 Dec 2013 12:56:08 +0000 http://www.newsfromcrystalpalace.co.uk/?p=951 A BROMLEY councillor is calling for action over a planned Watchnight service being staged by a Pentecostal church on New Year’s Eve in the former cinema building at 25 Church Road.   In strongly-worded emails to senior Bromley council officers Cllr Tom Papworth says there is a “massive inconsistency” between what Bromley council’s planning enforcement officers term the event and what Bromley council’s licensing officers term the event.    Cllr Papworth’s move comes after being contacted by “scores of people” about the Watchnight service – advertised as a religious service when performed at Croydon’s Fairfield halls in the past.   His comments follow requests by cinema campaigners asking people in the area to send Bromley council a Christmas message – voicing their concerns over the proposed KICC (Kingway International Christian Centre) event.   In his emails to development control manager Tim Bloomfield and head of food safety, occupational safety and licensing Paul Lehane Cllr Papworth (Lib Dem, Crystal Palace ward) says: “Further to my email on Friday, I have heard reports that Paul has already responded to residents to say that ‘It may be that the service is televised and will be watched by people attending the Church Road site, however from a licensing perspective we have taken the view following previous complaints and investigations that these are acts of worship / religious services within the definition of the licensing act  and therefore fall outside any control’.   “I do not intend to point the finger – I don’t really care whether Paul is right or wrong in this respect. “I am extremely concerned that there seems to be a massive inconsistency between what planning enforcement term the event and what licensing term the event.   “Let us be entirely clear on this: KICC cannot have it both ways. “Either this is an entertainment event, in which case they require a licence, and if they do not get one by December 31st and proceed with the event they are liable to prosecution; or this is a religious event, in which case they are in breach of their D2 usage and if they proceed with the event they are liable to prosecution.   “If my assessment is correct, then this event can only be legal (and they can only avoid prosecution) if Bromley council agrees that this is a music-entertainment event and grants a licence by December 31st. “Can you please: 1. Confirm whether this is correct? 2.Confirm what action will be taken if no such licence is granted (or if LBB agrees that this is a religious event) and KICC proceed regardless? “This is obviously an urgent matter as the clock is ticking. “I look forward to your response as soon as possible.”   In a second email to Tim Bloomfield Cllr Papworth says: “I trust that this event will be thoroughly investigated. “I would be grateful if planning enforcement officers would attend the event to gauge whether it is a religious service. “When this last came to Bromley council’s development control committee members did not support my motion that enforcement action should be taken, in part because of a lack of evidence that sufficient breaches had taken place. “This seems like a perfect opportunity to resolve that evidenciary gap!.”   In a post yesterday (Christmas Eve) on Virtual Norwood, a local ‘blog’ site, Cllr Papworth, thanking the “scores of people” who have written to him about the Watchnight event, adds: “It may not be possible to prevent the event happening – it may require a court order and it may be impossible to get one at short notice. “A prosecution after the fact may be the only recourse.”I would therefore remind you that if there is any disturbance due to noise you can contact the council’s 24 hour noise team on 0300 303 8671. “In addition, if there are any other disturbances (e.g. if unauthorised persons start trying to direct or control traffic, or if passers by are obstructed from going about their business) you should call the police. “I hope that there will be some better news soon. “In the meantime, I hope you all have a merry Christmas.” CLLR PAPWORTH’S comments come after the Picture Palace Campaign – set up in the wake of KICC buying the building from Gala Bingo in a secret deal in 2009 – asked  people to spend five or 10 minutes emailing or contacting Bromley council “notifying them of the latest event and expressing your concerns please – it would be really appreciated.”   The Campaign says that if the Watchnight service is considered to be a religious service or meeting then it falls outside the lawful planning use. “If it is considered to be an entertainment concert then it falls within the licensing regime and in our view is not exempt” said a Campaign spokesperson. “The two key issues are: Why are Bromley council letting KICC hold another religious service at 25 Church Road when they do not have planning permission to do so? or Why are Bromley council letting KICC hold another entertainment concert at 25 Church Road which involves live amplified music without having a premises licence? “If Bromley council does not agree that it is a religious service then isn’t it an Act of Public Entertainment which is regulated and requires a premises licence under the Licensing Act 2003? “Exemptions from the requirements of the Act are only given under certain circumstances. “If people do not register their concerns now I am sure we will start to see religious services start on Sundays at some point next year.” Campaigners are also highlighting a note on the leaflet advertising the event which states:”A return service will operate after the service to the mentioned pick-up points.”  QUOTES FROM VIRTUAL NORWOOD ‘News and Local Issues’ 25 Church Road (former Rialto cinema) thread pages nine and 10.   “I have highlighted these concerns with the appropriate officers” – Bromley Cllr John Getgood (Lab, Penge and Cator)    “We have planning laws, planning use classes, and if they […]

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A BROMLEY councillor is calling for action over a planned Watchnight service being staged by a Pentecostal church on New Year’s Eve in the former cinema building at 25 Church Road.
 
In strongly-worded emails to senior Bromley council officers Cllr Tom Papworth says there is a “massive inconsistency” between what Bromley council’s planning enforcement officers term the event and what Bromley council’s licensing officers term the event. 
 
Cllr Papworth’s move comes after being contacted by “scores of people” about the Watchnight service – advertised as a religious service when performed at Croydon’s Fairfield halls in the past.
 
His comments follow requests by cinema campaigners asking people in the area to send Bromley council a Christmas message – voicing their concerns over the proposed KICC (Kingway International Christian Centre) event.
 
In his emails to development control manager Tim Bloomfield and head of food safety, occupational safety and licensing Paul Lehane Cllr Papworth (Lib Dem, Crystal Palace ward) says: “Further to my email on Friday, I have heard reports that Paul has already responded to residents to say that ‘It may be that the service is televised and will be watched by people attending the Church Road site, however from a licensing perspective we have taken the view following previous complaints and investigations that these are acts of worship / religious services within the definition of the licensing act  and therefore fall outside any control’.
 
“I do not intend to point the finger – I don’t really care whether Paul is right or wrong in this respect. “I am extremely concerned that there seems to be a massive inconsistency between what planning enforcement term the event and what licensing term the event.
 
“Let us be entirely clear on this: KICC cannot have it both ways. “Either this is an entertainment event, in which case they require a licence, and if they do not get one by December 31st and proceed with the event they are liable to prosecution; or this is a religious event, in which case they are in breach of their D2 usage and if they proceed with the event they are liable to prosecution.
 
“If my assessment is correct, then this event can only be legal (and they can only avoid prosecution) if Bromley council agrees that this is a music-entertainment event and grants a licence by December 31st.
“Can you please: 1. Confirm whether this is correct? 2.Confirm what action will be taken if no such licence is granted (or if LBB agrees that this is a religious event) and KICC proceed regardless? “This is obviously an urgent matter as the clock is ticking. “I look forward to your response as soon as possible.”
 
In a second email to Tim Bloomfield Cllr Papworth says: “I trust that this event will be thoroughly investigated. “I would be grateful if planning enforcement officers would attend the event to gauge whether it is a religious service.
“When this last came to Bromley council’s development control committee members did not support my motion that enforcement action should be taken, in part because of a lack of evidence that sufficient breaches had taken place. “This seems like a perfect opportunity to resolve that evidenciary gap!.”
 
In a post yesterday (Christmas Eve) on Virtual Norwood, a local ‘blog’ site, Cllr Papworth, thanking the “scores of people” who have written to him about the Watchnight event, adds: “It may not be possible to prevent the event happening – it may require a court order and it may be impossible to get one at short notice. “A prosecution after the fact may be the only recourse.”I would therefore remind you that if there is any disturbance due to noise you can contact the council’s 24 hour noise team on 0300 303 8671.

“In addition, if there are any other disturbances (e.g. if unauthorised persons start trying to direct or control traffic, or if passers by are obstructed from going about their business) you should call the police.

“I hope that there will be some better news soon. “In the meantime, I hope you all have a merry Christmas.”

CLLR PAPWORTH’S comments come after the Picture Palace Campaign – set up in the wake of KICC buying the building from Gala Bingo in a secret deal in 2009 – asked  people to spend five or 10 minutes emailing or contacting Bromley council “notifying them of the latest event and expressing your concerns please – it would be really appreciated.”
 
The Campaign says that if the Watchnight service is considered to be a religious service or meeting then it falls outside the lawful planning use.

“If it is considered to be an entertainment concert then it falls within the licensing regime and in our view is not exempt” said a Campaign spokesperson.

“The two key issues are:

Why are Bromley council letting KICC hold another religious service at 25 Church Road when they do not have planning permission to do so?
or Why are Bromley council letting KICC hold another entertainment concert at 25 Church Road which involves live amplified music without having a premises licence?

“If Bromley council does not agree that it is a religious service then isn’t it an Act of Public Entertainment which is regulated and requires a premises licence under the Licensing Act 2003?

“Exemptions from the requirements of the Act are only given under certain circumstances.

“If people do not register their concerns now I am sure we will start to see religious services start on Sundays at some point next year.”

Campaigners are also highlighting a note on the leaflet advertising the event which states:”A return service will operate after the service to the mentioned pick-up points.”

 QUOTES FROM VIRTUAL NORWOOD ‘News and Local Issues’ 25 Church Road (former Rialto cinema) thread pages nine and 10.

 
“I have highlighted these concerns with the appropriate officers” – Bromley Cllr John Getgood (Lab, Penge and Cator) 
 
“We have planning laws, planning use classes, and if they are not enforced what purpose are they there for?” – Charlie
 
“Surely it is about time they did something about the situation? The building makes me sad and angry every time I walk past it. “Such a waste.” – Darcey
 
“So the right hand is saying it’s a religious service while the left hand is saying it’s not. “With this level of joined up thinking no wonder the KICC feel they can ignore them.” – Fang
 
“The whole thing is farcical” – James L

“Now I know why I saw a guy vacuuming the carpet in the entrance lobby the other day!” – Magnolia

NEWS FROM CRYSTAL PALACE WISHES ALL OF YOU A VERY MERRY CHRISTMAS!!!

 

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KICC PLAN NEW YEAR’S EVE ‘PRAISE’ EVENT IN CINEMA BUILDING http://www.newsfromcrystalpalace.co.uk/kicc-plan-new-years-eve-praise-event-in-cinema-building/ http://www.newsfromcrystalpalace.co.uk/kicc-plan-new-years-eve-praise-event-in-cinema-building/#comments Sat, 29 Dec 2012 10:19:27 +0000 http://newsfromcrystalpalace.co.uk/?p=304 THE PENTECOSTAL church which took over the former cinema at 25 Church Road is hosting a New Year’s Eve event there with ‘celebration, drama, dance, praise, music’. The ‘Mighty Manifestations Night’ is billed as The KICC South West New Year’s Eve celebration 2012. Advertising leaflets outside the former cinema building at 25 Church Road – which the local community want to see returned to its cinema use – show photos of four people: Noel Robinson, Dipo Oluyomi, Lara Martin and Shola Victor-Sajowa. A publicity ‘blurb’ underneath the photos announces that Noel Robinson and Lara Martin are guest artists. KICC’s own website states that Dipo Oluyomi is its chief executive officer. He has also been described as ‘resident pastor KICC South West and London’.  Shola Victor-Sajowa is described in one Internet post as ‘ has no doubt moved up the ranks as a major worship leader in KICC’ and in another as ‘London-based gospel singer best known for her work in the KICC choir’. The poster also features photos of the KICC SW TNT choir and the KICC SW choir. The announcement of the event will no doubt increase the concerns of some local people that KICC are trying to turn the building into a church – even though Bromley council have refused planning permission for such a change of use. The latest event comes hot on the heels of a gospel concert held in the building on November 17th. In response to a post on Virtual Norwood earlier this year relating to an email from Bromley council, Bromley say an S330 notice has been sent to KICC. This is a notice requiring certain information as to interests in land and premises and in this case concerning the use of the building. “This is part of an ongoing investigation in order to make an informed assessment as to whether a breach of planning control has occurred but I regret that the notice and the covering letter are exempt information and I am unable to provide a copy.” NFCP has asked Bromley council what an S330 notice can actually ask for, what penalties there are (if any) for non-compliance and what act or acts this would come under. NFCP has also asked for Bromley to comment on a sentence in the email which states “It is also intended to report the external alterations to the building to a committee early in the new year” asking what the alleged problem/s with any external alterations are.  A response is awaited. Monday’s New Year’s Eve event is advertised as starting at 8pm but no time is given for when it ends.  

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THE PENTECOSTAL church which took over the former cinema at 25 Church Road is hosting a New Year’s Eve event there with ‘celebration, drama, dance, praise, music’.
The ‘Mighty Manifestations Night’ is billed as The KICC South West New Year’s Eve celebration 2012.
Advertising leaflets outside the former cinema building at 25 Church Road – which the local community want to see returned to its cinema use – show photos of four people: Noel Robinson, Dipo Oluyomi, Lara Martin and Shola Victor-Sajowa.
A publicity ‘blurb’ underneath the photos announces that Noel Robinson and Lara Martin are guest artists.
KICC’s own website states that Dipo Oluyomi is its chief executive officer. He has also been described as ‘resident pastor KICC South West and London’. 
Shola Victor-Sajowa is described in one Internet post as ‘ has no doubt moved up the ranks as a major worship leader in KICC’ and in another as ‘London-based gospel singer best known for her work in the KICC choir’.
The poster also features photos of the KICC SW TNT choir and the KICC SW choir.
The announcement of the event will no doubt increase the concerns of some local people that KICC are trying to turn the building into a church – even though Bromley council have refused planning permission for such a change of use.
The latest event comes hot on the heels of a gospel concert held in the building on November 17th.
In response to a post on Virtual Norwood earlier this year relating to an email from Bromley council, Bromley say an S330 notice has been sent to KICC.
This is a notice requiring certain information as to interests in land and premises and in this case concerning the use of the building.
“This is part of an ongoing investigation in order to make an informed assessment as to whether a breach of planning control has occurred but I regret that the notice and the covering letter are exempt information and I am unable to provide a copy.”
NFCP has asked Bromley council what an S330 notice can actually ask for, what penalties there are (if any) for non-compliance and what act or acts this would come under.
NFCP has also asked for Bromley to comment on a sentence in the email which states “It is also intended to report the external alterations to the building to a committee early in the new year” asking what the alleged problem/s with any external alterations are.  A response is awaited.
Monday’s New Year’s Eve event is advertised as starting at 8pm but no time is given for when it ends.
 

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